It was a delight to be invited to talk with Frank Norris MBE FCCT and Susan Breckell on the Frank and Stan Chat (with Susan stepping in for Stan on this one). It was a fantastic chat centred around education which covers environmental issues as we talk about the major DfE funded environmental and biophilic landscape Merstham Park School which was designed by Natural Dimensions Landscape Architecture and Urban Design. I explain how landscape design supports teaching and learning and how it can have a positive long-term impact on schools and pupils. Susan considers whether an effective leader must be able to instil confidence when speaking to a large audience.